Forum Index > Activities > Anyone want to rock the ASTD ICE boat?
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Clark Quinn 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 70
John, I tried it this year (ok, via a workshop, not quite the broad message).
Not really eager to go back to ICE (long way, not great deal for speakers), but
while I know they need shaking up, not quite sure that it's possible without
some event that's out of their flexibility. Still, wish you luck! And I'll let
you know if circumstances change.
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
I was gonna say, I don't go for that reason...just think its SOO far behind
that I'm not sure its worth spending my money to try to change the dinosaur.
BUT, wouldn't mind thinking about it for TechKnowledge...sadly, even what was
supposed to be the more progressive conference still had the PowerPoint session
as the most highly attended. SIGH. If you're down for an alternative event,
tho...might be interested in that. Love Chicago. And I'm all about shaking up
ID (maybe you've seen my two blog posts on how ID is dead |
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John Schulz 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 22
I would absolutely consider an alternative event. I was using ASTD because I
might actually be able to justify going since it's in Chicago. (And I have read
your blog postings, even commented on one I think! |
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
ha! i never think anyone reads my blog posts |
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
also, i'd like to apologize for my excessive use of emoticons. obviously i have
a problem...
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John Schulz 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 22
They say the first step to recovery is recognizing you have a problem!
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Karyn Romeis 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 416
@John Cathy's is an excellent post, and something of a wake up call. When times
are tight we know that the first budget to get cut is L&D (or training if
your org still calls it that). If we add as little value as Cathy's post
describes, is it any wonder? Anyone could do that. It doesn't take any
specialist skills or knowledge. The key word that keeps coming up in other
groups I belong to is relevance. We need to be seen to understand what
the business is about. We need to move out of the annex and into the main
house. See my comment on Cathy's post. We need to ask the awkward questions. To
push back where necessary. To say 'why?' a lot more. To a lot of big noises,
the staff of an organisation constitute a resource which is theirs to use as
appropriate. Of course, they would dispute this. But they demonstrate it when
you ask them what will motivate the staff to use the resource you've been
commissioned to develop and they say "They just must. We'll make it mandatory!"
So arguing the case from the learner's corner often won't mean a hill of beans
to them. We need to explain to them why X and Y thing isn't going to serve the
best interests of the business. To do this, we need to understand the business:
its goals, its vision, its policies, its history, its culture, its financial
state. We need to stop wringing our hands and bewailing the fact that the
business doesn't speak learning-ish. We need to learn to speak
business-ish. And fast!
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Clark Quinn 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 70
I proposed a followon to Jean Marripodi's IDZone at the Guild's Annual
Gathering, the 'beyond ID' zone. I intended it to be include things like:
performance support, social media, mobile, content model, etc. However, it
should also include breakdowns in ADDIE, etc, as well. Been trying to carry the
banner, but it's hard to get access to the decision makers, rather than the
people in the trenches. It's going to have to be at least a training dept
manager who can take action, no? And in my workshop at ICE, many said that they
were told from above "just do that training thing that you do". Sigh. Prob is,
ASTD, Training, etc, really don't have a vested interest in upsetting their
apple cart, and I'm not sure they can really adapt well. They'll tolerate some
wakeup calls, but the notion of blowing up the training department (note: not
abolishing formal learning by blowing up like a bomb, but blowing up training
dept like a balloon to take responsibility for all org learning) is going to be
hard for them to accommodate, I reckon. Another forum? Jay and I will try at
CLO... (and cf the 'Chief MetaLearning Officer' CLO article)
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John Schulz 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 22
OK - so I just created a wiki page titled 'Subversive alterna-conf stuff' (I,
ummm, 'borrowed' the title from Koreen's earlier post). I added in a few items
and thoughts - but it's open to anyone who wants to add or change things. Feel
free to re-organize into additional pages if that helps with the creative flow.
As Clark kindly points out, I think we need to understand who our target
audience(s) will be, and the objective of the message.
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Karyn Romeis 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 416
@Clark There are a few under-the-radar things that can be done with very little
funding to start a subversive, bottom-up, demand-led learning provision. I've
done it before. Sadly I left the company before I got to see it through, but it
certainly got off to a very promising start. Three things that can be done:
Identify a knot of geeks, er... champions. Create a space where they can share
ideas and war stories. Start having little geek fests with them, motivating
them to share what they know with each other and with other staff members.
Start 'bigging them up' as the people who know with the rest of the staff.
Encourage people to seek them out. Encourage their managers to see it as kudos
to have one of these people on their teams. Start colluding with the help desk.
Pick up their metrics on system/process FAQs and create little learning nuggets
addressing these things using Captivate (or similar). Post these is a public
space. If all else fails, the public folders of Outlook were what I used! Get
the helpdesk to start directing people to these instead of LAN assisting or
just dishing out answers. If you do these well enough, they will start to ask
for new nuggets to be made addressing specific issues. Start colluding with the
HR department. Ask them to feed you the metrics of what comes out of reviews in
terms of development needs/requests. See if there are some cheap and cheerful
ways to address these using Cathy Moore's action mapping approach. Post these
in a public space as before and get your champions to big them up. Start
telling middle management about where they can find these tools that will take
learning to the point of need without taking people away from their desk for a
day at a time. It's worth a shot, yeah?
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Clark Quinn 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 70
That's fabulous, Karyn! Have you written that up as an article? You should! Up
the revolution!
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Karyn Romeis 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 416
@Clark I've shared about it in a few spaces. I might have blogged about it at
some point. I have certainly discussed it in the comments on other people's
blog posts.
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Aaron 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 617
Been meaning to post for a few days. Apologies for the delay. First, re:ICE --
it being in Chicago next year, where John and I both reside, there's a better
chance I'll attend if only because it's right here. If I can worm my way into
speaking... I'd be really down with pushing some buttons. That said, I'm not in
ASTD myself, so it's a bit like complaining about the host without having been
invited to the party to begin with for me. Not that it's kept me quiet in the
past. Just sayin' Second, re: a BSS movement -- Mark hosted a webcast today
where a co-worker took notice of the BSS mention and slide he talked to -- then
texted me about it since she knew of the BSS, but was really surprised at its
mention elsewhere. Third, I think Karyn is RIGHT ON with the observation that
we need to learn how to speak the language of the business we're in and stop
expecting the org to come to us. Karyn's tactics are pretty solid -- the
challenge with getting metrics from HR is that you may be shocked and dismayed
at the lack of metrics they actually have. I work in HR. It's getting better
because there have been enough demands. Even if HR doesn't have metrics for
you, keep asking. Like social media itself, enough sunlight causes all things
to grow. Keep asking questions. Be respectful but do not lower your
expectations for results. Results are the language of the business.
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Aaron 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 617
RE: Mark's presentation, not for nothing, we're
on Slide #13 >:)
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John Schulz 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 22
Captured for later use: Clive Shepard adds to the conversation by pointing out
that many L&D 'professional' have simply become order takers. Favorite
idea: "When asked to jump, a professional doesn't say 'how high?'. They say,
'Let's talk about this a little, because jumping may not be the best solution
in this situation.' [...] If they [the business] don't hear this advice, they
will assume that the people in l&d are just the builders, not the
architects; and, if no-one seems to be offering architectural services, they'll
do it themselves."
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John Schulz 12 months ago
ActivityRank: 22
Perhaps this is the first shot at the 'ASTD' crowd - and it comes from within:
The New Finish Line for Learning The interesting
(odd?) thing is that they don't allow comments to the articles, so there's no
way to see what kind of ire it may have raised within the profession. Maybe you
need to be a member to make comments??
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Karyn Romeis 12 months ago
ActivityRank: 416
@John I have the hugest personal and professional regard for Clive. I first met
him years ago at a conference when he delivered a preso on PowerPoint that said
out loud in a public space all the things I had been trying to say for years -
only he did it with more authority and better graphics. I highly recommend his
blog to anyone who isn't already reading it. And the 'jump' analogy is bang on
the money! Let's look at it this way: How much are you being paid? If you
withhold from the person who is paying you all your hard won experience and
perspectives, are you not guilty of fraud or theft? After all, isn't that what
they're buying? Isn't that what they pay for? They might not like it at the
time, but how many of us really like the pain of a gym circuit? We do it
because of the benefits it brings us. We need to stop taking orders and do our
jobs!
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