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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
"What are we going to do as these 20-somethings who disdain email infitrate the
workplace and change things" Adapt. We've been pretty good at that over the
last few decades as technology has transformed the workplace ... |
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mark.oehlert 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 94
Steve, You're kidding right? The adaptation part... Who's been good at it? Car
companies - not so much. IBM was damn near pushed to the brink before they
reformed..same with 3M...same with Apple.....and we shouldn't talk about how
long it took corporate America to embrace the efficacy of something as radical
as email....Peter Senge was talking about learning org.s in 1990 and we still
aren't there...Peter drucker still looks like Jules Verne and Marshall McLuhan
may as well be Nostradamus for as far as we've come in understanding some of
the dynamics he write about in the 60's. I think we can adapt and unless we're
in org.s that are "too big to fail" (govt, banking evidently, etc) then they
presurre will never be more acute to adapt or perish.
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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
You can pull out big-business examples fo failure, and I can pull out
big-business examples of success. but the reality is that it's the newer, the
smaller, the leaner and the less entrenched companies are the ones that adapt
best. I'll go out on a limb and say smaller companies represent the majority of
people and places anyway. Yes 'we' adapt well. Sure'they' sometimes don't, but
overall we've adapted significantly to email and the web. If we hadn't they
wouldn't be as essential as they are.
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Aaron 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 617
So... my .02 goes like this. In a "we" vs. "they" world, I totally agree. We do
adapt well and welcome the new. "They" don't. But for many people embedded in
large organizations (even small ones) "they" are a pretty big chunk of "us."
"We" are a very small part of "them." How do we get "them" to go with "us?"
Because at the end of the day, that's the answer to how you change an
organization. In the case of social media, I'm seeing around me that there's a
lot of fear of the unknown, and it manifests itself in the objections about the
"noise" or "counter-productivity" or "security" or "it's the newest shiny
object" -- I'm not saying these aren't valid concerns, but Steve raises a good
point that many organizations resisted E-mail, until they didn't. Many
organizations resisted wikis (still do), until they didn't. It's the same
arguments all over again, but I can't recall wikis, blogs or even email were
never as "hot" for consumers as social networks are right now. That populism is
a distractor. Much like Mark's thoughts (outside of here) that the problem with
social media is that it's not expensive enough, another strike against it for
organizations is that it's too popular. I think you both are much closer than
you are apart on this subject. /.02
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Aaron 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 617 ...Peter drucker still looks like Jules Verne and Marshall McLuhan may as well be Nostradamus for as far as we've come in understanding some of the dynamics he write about in the 60's.Dude, that's too funny... too true, but funny. |
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
I've been trying to post this up...got hung up, then realized that Aaron beat
me to it with a much better response |
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Aaron 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 617
I'm certain Mark's being sarcastic |
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mark.oehlert 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 94
Let's say I really like Aaron's We/They/Us/Them dynamic. Of course I agree that
smaller companies adapt faster - because to Koreen's point - they'll also die
faster if they don't. And of course I think banking is failing - the "too big
to fail" quote is in reference to the government's propping up of what would
now be dead companies, thus denying corporate evolution its due and slowing the
flow of capital from creative, innovative companies by forcing that capital to
pool in a collection of Jurassic dead-pool wannabe's. I guess my initial point
was that I don't think we have decades to achieve the next transformation in
the workplace.
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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
Yeah but another reason (among many others) that businesses fail is that they
make decisiosn for short term gain (and shareholder gratification) rather than
longer term strategy and planning. GM and Chrystler, the banks, the mortgage
industry and others screwed themselves through short-sighted decisions for a
quick buck today. "You have to grow or you are dying" appears to be the mantra.
Well, up to a point sure. but if you only care about growth, share price and
how to pay inflated CEO salaries you have a very flawed business. ...
apparently one of Chrystler's considered strategies (according to some expert
on Public Radio) was to 'grow out of trouble'. Grow? Today? Where? How? But in
terms of adoption of new technologies, corporates have an obvious bind, as we
all know. Technology costs lots of money. They are 'forced' to buy low-budget
equipment that's 2 or 3 years behind the current 'standard' and then try to eek
it out for 3 or 4 years before again buying in 'new' equipment. They are scared
to upgrade to the latest OS or hardware, because they cannot afford the
downtime of new, unreliable equipment - and the training it takes to get
less-then-geeky staff trained to use it. The knock-on effect of this is that
even the most progressive corporation is always going to appear to be 2, 3, 4
or even more years behing the current vogue or the eager tecchies like us and
our peers. So Twitter, or Yammer or whatever might one day sweep across the
corporate world ... but not before about 2011 or 2012.
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Aaron 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 617
Okay... so we're all pretty agreed that organizations need to transform NOW,
and not later. What are the arguments we're facing, and what are we doing to
deconstruct those arguments that's actually working or at least sticking?
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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
I started the conversation about 'new technologies about 18 months ago when I
joined my current employer. In various ways that conversation has continued and
flowered across the manager, director and C-level leadership since then. I'm
not trying to say I instigated the conversation, by the way. It was undoubtedly
already on the move when I joined. Last fall, a company-wide announcement went
out 'we are now a learning company and you are all responsible for your own
learning, sharing your knowledge and skill, mentoring etc. So you should be
utilising (add your own list of old and new tools here, including 2.0 and
beyond) to make it so' Obviously I paraphrased a bit |
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mark.oehlert 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 94
#1 Objection = FEAR Fear of loss of control (when they're not really
controlling it anyway), fear over people saying something wrong/secret (when
that's not really a new vulnerability if they already have email), fear over a
collapse of traditional construction of expertise.....
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
Another objection...cost. Too high, too low...doesn't matter. Ties into Mark's
#1 objection of fear...but its the one they'll say instead of admitting to
fear. so how do you combat the cost obstacle when its really masking the fear
obstacle? "too high"= tricky, but you have to break it down...yes, ROI is tough
to measure, but some people have done it for some of the apps out there, and
more data is emerging. "too low"= i find this ridiculous, personally, but...its
still a perception problem. again, i think you combat this with data on value.
this just gave me an idea for another string |
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Clark Quinn 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 70
My concern with Steve's org is the "you're on your own". We shouldn't expect
adequate self-learning skills (the evidence is against it), and we should take
responsibility for learning skills, explicit cultural values, and more. I do
believe it's a critical time for orgs to wake up, and the evidence is that it's
not happening fast enough, but I can't seem to get to the right level to make
the obvious pitch. Sigh. Trainers are either on board or not, but it's their
managers, and the Directors/VPs.../CLOs that need to smell the coffee. Today, I
heard from Adam Nelson of Linden Labs that CIOs are the source of most
initiatives in strategic knowledge/learning. Glad someone's doing it, but wish
it was someone who understood learning....
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John Schulz 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 22
It's funny, Clark, that you mention the idea of 'who' is driving
knowledge/learning initiatives. I was just reading an article (and if I could
remember where it was at, I would add the link - someone really needs to come
up with a better way of managing bookmarks, any ideas?) written from the IT
standpoint. The article essentially blamed learning departments (AKA HR) for
hijacking most of these sorts of projects. The article went on to suggest that
IT organizations were best for these types of projects because they had "better
project managers" and "people who were better at thinking logically" (in terms
of system architecture). I really need to find that article. Anyway, I think
this brings up another one of the obstacles we face - the idea of ownership. I
know we faced this fight a few times at my former employer. Unfortunately, if
the project didn't deal with a 'class' we got little respect in terms of our
input to the greater good. I think that perception was changing, but there was
still a long road to haul. It had been at a point where we were doing our own
grassroots experiments just to test theories and prove we could actually impact
organizational performance outside the classroom. So given this environment,
how do you get all of the 'interested parties' to play nice and recognize the
greater good?
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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
"My concern with Steve's org is the 'you're on your own'. " Nothing could be
further from the truth! I was trying to be brief - plus I am seriously hopeless
at corporate-speak so I don;t sell this stuff well. I'm a second-rate developer
with a big mouth and a bigger nose |
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Clark Quinn 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 70
John, that's the point: who *should* own it. PM and logic we ought to have,
understanding learning they shouldn't and we should. Steve, that *sounds*
great. is it working? Does the org really create a positive learning culture.
It sounds like it's right, so I'm curious if that's your perception. If so,
you're *way* ahead of the curve.
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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
Clark - still early days yet, but I do think it is working. Frankly, though, it
is going to be 3 to 5 years before the results are conclusive, becuase many of
the current initiatives are going to take a while to get up to speed. I
absolutely believe we are *trying* to do the right thing and I believe we are
taking a great approach. I don't meet a lot of cynicism, but then I'm also a
remote worker (as is about 50% of the learning team), so in many ways I am
isolated from the company's culture.
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
I like the question of who *should* own these initiatives, because it seems
every organization is different. Often things start in IT, but die
there...either out of lack of interest in other areas of the org, or because
the IT department doesn't do a good job evangelizing. Things that start in
training have the content and maybe the context...but then implementation
barriers can take over if IT doesn't feel they *own* it. Anyone know of any
good balance of these issues for implementation/support?
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mark.oehlert 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 94
#2 Objection: Compatibility w/ existing systems. I think we, as promoters of
this new environment, need to bring an awareness and maybe a plan to the table
about how we can integrate the new systems we're pushing with existing POS's
like LMSs and the like. (its fear again really)
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koreen33 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 148
A couple thoughts on compatibility... First, its #3 (cost was #2). Second, this
is trickier than just simply figuring out how to integrate...so many companies
I've worked with have existing systems, but aren't using them well (eg, J &
J pretty much just scrapped using their LMS system and have found all kinds of
work arounds to avoid it). Lots of reasons for this, obviously, but my point is
that its not always the right answer to integrate with existing systems to
facilitate organizational adoption. Sometimes existing systems can't support,
or integrate with, new technologies--either because they are too archaic or
promote "old" thinking, etc. That's why the new is so disruptive, right? That
said, obviously if an existing system is working well, its a good plan to
figure it out. But too often organizations keep throwing good money after bad
as a crutch or because they already spent $X. Our purpose should be to show how
the new adds value through improved processes, time savings, improved
communication, direct cost savings, increased sales...and help facilitate the
intrinsically disruptive nature of "the new."
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Steve Howard 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 32
*Who should own these initiatives?* If there is not a clear and comfortable
partnership between IT and {insert the name of your learning group here} then
new initiatives like Wikis or Yammer etc are bound to fail. Neither 'side'
should have clear ownership, although logistically there may be a requirement
to have a project lead who sits on one side or the other. I'd personally prefer
to see ownership reside with someone who is not biased towards either side -
someone who's motivation and role is bound firmly to the *learner*, not the
teacher or the technology enabler. That someone probably needs a comfortable
grounding in both IT and Learning, but does not necessarily have to be expert
in either ... which probably means most of us and our peers might just qualify
:-)
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wwickha1 13 months ago
ActivityRank: 14
Ultimately, it's about "does this solve a problem." More importantly, does the
technology solve a problem that has become aggravating enough to the larger
community to actually solve and go through the painful process of change rather
than just work around.
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ActivityRank: 617